Olympic Sailing Medals - 49ers Can't Find Gold

Boating and Sailing News 17 Aug


Olympic 49er Gold Medal

Qingdao, China - Finally, some Olympic wind! Actually, a bit more wind than desired. In fact, enough wind to snap the mast of Denmark's boat just before the medal race, forcing them to scramble to get a borrowed boat out to the start line, and they did so with only 4 seconds to spare. Team Croatia, out of the medal running, rose to the occasion and lent their boat to Denmark, and upon that borrowed boat the Danes sailed to Olympic Gold - maybe.

 

The race itself had the best sailing action of the entire Beijing Olympics so far, with rain and whipping winds to contrast last week's hot, humid stillness. Over and over again, boats looking to be in good position capsized. France, Italy, Austria, Australia, Germany, and Spain all capsized, actually, and the downwind legs in the heavy weather were a mix of carnage and conquest. In fact, four different teams looked in line for the gold at different points in the race, and both the rocket-fast acceleration and tender ways of the 49ers were finally displayed on this last day of racing, with ESP, GER and GBR first across the line respectively.

At this time, the medal is under protest, precisely because Denmark sailed someone else's boat. Whose protest? The race committee itself, in fact. Thus the results now go to a jury decision, which has been postponed until tomorrow. Therefore, nobody has won anything yet, and the athletes get to toss and turn for one more night, at least, awaiting a decision - a decision that would have seemed rather simple, but these things seldom are. Please feel free to leave comments below if you have an opinion.

Sailing Medalists for the 2008 Beijing Olympics

49er Class (Provisional)

 

DEN Jonas Warrer, Martin Kirketerp Ibsen

ESP Iker Martinez de Lizarduy, Xabier Fernandez Gaztañaga

GER Jan-Peter Peckolt, Hannes Peckolt

 

 

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49er at Olympics - Denmark is the winners

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

Gimmi a break!! Awesome that the croatians could help them out..

The Danes won - fair a square...

Olympic medals in bejing

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

Of course a country don't can run whith a boat of another country What is this? every country sail whith their boat and their athletes if not what is this? I can pay money for a good boat and win the olimpics medals

get your facts right

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

First of all then in this particular class then all boats are the exact same! The only difference is the paint on the sails. Everything is made by the same manufacturer.

Secondly the Danes did not pay to borrow the Croatian boat.

Thirdly the Croatian boat had been approved for the race, but the Croates just didn't make the final.

This is a horrible case of a big nation (Spain) not being large enough to face that they didn't sail the best. The Danes were already the presumed winner - only bad luck would take the Gold medal away from them. They would have to come in worse as #8 out of 10 not to win the Gold! They came in as # 7 even though they ended up starting later, lost time and had mentals up and down with loosing their boat, using all their energy getting the Croatian boat rigged and out in less than 7 minutes. The Danes beat history and all odds and they won fair and square.

Spain is now trying to use their superior power (politically) to get the Gold, although their own sailors admitted the Danes sailed better and deserved the Gold. They have convinced Italy to go along with them, because Italy stand to win Bronze, if Denmark is disqualified. So Italy also stand to gain a lot. Italy would never had won any medals without some other nations bad luck and if they can't get Denmark disqulaified. This is just disgusting sportsmanship that should not be allowed and should be punished with quaranteene.

Nothing in the rules state that you cannot use another boat, that has been approved for the race! Denmark did not break any written rules, and they did not get any advantage out of switching boat - quite the contrary.

Spain should be ashamed of themselves and I wish the Spanish sailors had more moral backbone to not protest but to stand up for their own beliefs, that the Danes were the deserved Gold Medalists and the better sailors!

I am ashamed to be Spanish!

hope denmark wins olympic medal

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

i really hope that denmark would win after there boat break on the way out to the start before the medal race denmark was in the lead by 11 points they started 3,57 after all the others in the croatia boat that they have borrowed thay came in 7 out of the 10 boats and won overall but some of the teams protest against the danish team and that the weather was not sutibel for sailling. the ref have not decide anything on the medal race day but they will do later today. i just hope denmark wins cause they was the best team overall even tough they started 3,57 minuts after they others in the last race just to bad that they might do to technuallitis and poor sportmans ship of the teams who didt win ( bad loosers) sorry for my bad english :-)

49er Olympic Medals Confirmed

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The medalists for the 2008 Olympic 49er Class have been confirmed. It is Denmark with the Gold, Spain with the Silver, and Germany with the Bronze.

 

“I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. You’re down, you’re up, you’re down. You think you win, you lose,” said Martin Kirketerp Ibsen of Denmark. “It’s unreal. We snapped the mast, we go in, we take the Croatian boat. We make the start with 4 seconds. If we had been 4 seconds later we wouldn’t have been Olympic Champions. And then the protest and the postponement of the protest. Everything is just unreal.”

Spain had everything to gain if the Jury decision went against Denmark. However, the Spanish congratulated and paid tribute to the Danes with the kind of sportsmanship sadly lacking in many land-based events. Said Spain's Martinez: “The first thing I did was to say congratulations to the Danish guys; they are the new Olympic Champions. They sailed very well and I have to say to them they did a really good job. Congratulations to them and we are very happy to have our second Olympic medal.”

 

Congratulations go to all. Great Sportmanship, Great Sailors, and a great Olympic Class!

49er at Olympics: Not over yet

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

Spain is planning to appeal the decision.

Wow, that is great sportsmanship. Wonder what the Spaniards would say if Nadal won a match with a borrowed tennis racquet?

Olympic 49er - Where's Dane's sportsmanship?

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

It's easy to ask others "for "sportsmanship", when you are breaking the competition rules... This jury decision is not fair, because they have changed the rules. Nobody can change the boat. In tennis you can change raquet whenever you want, according to tennis rules. Nadal always carries some raquets, (and spare balls as well). It is not the same changing a raquet and changing a boat for a sailing race.
The jury decision giving gold medal to Danes is an abuse.

Has anybody thought about the consequences in future?

Great Danish, German and Australian sportmanship

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

I think you need to read the rules for sailing. If parts of your equipment break you are aloud to change it. In this case, they needed a new boat to be able to start in time. It does not say anywhere in the rules that you cannot chance the boat, as you say.
The Danish team led by 11 points (!) before the medal race, showing that they were by far the best in the competition up to this point.
Great sportsmanship is fighting for your 1st place. Going out in boat you don’t know and did set up, and not starting 3min 56sec after the others is not an advantage. But fighting your way up to a seventh place and defending the 1st place shows how great these two Danish sailors really are.
Great sportsmanship is doing whatever you can to complete the race. If they came in tenth and last, which they probably would have under “normal” weather condition, the Spaniards could say we won this gold medal fair and square on the water and not in the courtroom. By completing the race nobody can come afterwards and say “would Spain have won if the Danish were in the race from the start?” Doing everything you can to complete the race, even in an alien boat and nearly 4 minutes after the rest, is great sportsmanship.
I honestly don’t think the two great Spanish sailors would like to win a gold medal like this, when they know they were not the best. I might be wrong, but then we can’t talk about sportsmanship or Olympic spirit anymore. Then we talk about greed. You can also ask yourself the question; why didn’t Australia and Germany appeal this? My answers would be; because they are great sportsmen and knew who were the best on the water overall.

Big congratulations to the Danish team! You really deserve it.

get your facts right before you judge

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

The Danes did not break any written rules. There is no rule stating you cannot change boat. The boats are all the same. The rules state you can change equipment as long as the equipment is approved for the race. The boats the Danes changed into was approved.

The bad sportsmanship lies with Spain. The Spanish sailors even stated that the Danes were the best and deserved to win, but they will off course try and get the Gold if they have any change. What kind of Olympic Spirit is that?

Get your facts right before you judge!

Olympic 49er - You're wrong

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

They haven't changed the rules. It's fully legal to borrow a boat!!!

OLYMPIC 49ER - Great drama and pathetic aftermath

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

I'm a Dane myself, so nobody will probably be surprised that I think these guys deserve their medal, but I am first and foremost a lover of sports, so consider this:

1. There are NO RULES saying that you cannot change your boat!

2. Cameras and the flags on the boats were first and foremost meant to enhance the viewing pleasure for TV viewers, nothing more. Where does the lack of these things give the Danes any advantage?

3. The Spanish sailors complain they didn't know the Danes were on the course. Tough luck, but the fact is the Spanish team got the best result they could possibly get. They couldn't have done anything more, no matter if they knew or not. It's hardly the fault of my country's team that the Spanish team hadn't sailed well enough in the other races so that their 1st place in the medal race couldn't win them gold even though the leading team finished 7th.

Me being a Dane or not has nothing to do with it. These are facts and if you read the verdict, everything that's being said is simple common sense.

I'm not saying Spain shouldn't have protested: This is a grey area after all and I'm sure the Danes would have liked to be certain about the same things, had they been in the Spanish team's shoes. But after having a special expert jury spend more than 6 hours pouring over the rules before pronouncing a clear-cut verdict, you gracefully accept it. There were no rules supporting these protests that can disqualify the Danish team. And now the Spanish Olympic Committee threatens to bring this to CAS, having the audacity to pronounce to the world that the Danish team STOLE the gold that was CERTAINLY theirs!? Frankfully, I'm shocked. I never thought that a committee from such a great nation of sports would go that low. Not to mention the whining in Spain. Someone should translate that to let the world see exactly what the olympic spirit is made of in most of the Spanish press!

I'm really sorry about this rant, but honestly....

Anyway, congratulations to the 49er class for a spectacular race and to the Spanish team for winning the medal race in such horrid conditions. And big hugs to Jonas and Martin for defending their gold position despite using an unknown boat and starting almost 4 minutes after everyone else. Your fighting spirit and mental strength are commendable. We're so proud of you guys!

Not breaking rules...

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

Hi,

First of all, I admire how the danes managed all the situation to finally get the gold. It's amazing how they did everything to get to the course and get the points they need.

However the reglamentation says that you can change any part of your boat, not the boat itself (the olympic yachting reglamentation, points 21.2 and 21.3). Even though, let's admit you can change the boat because it doesn't say explicity this or it's not clear.

More: the rules of 49r class. It's written (C1 I think) that you must show national symbols for easy identification during the race. And this is my point. Nobody in the race, I mean the sailors of the other countries, knew the croatian boat were the danes. Many sailors thought the croatians were training. The spaniards did they race and won. OK. The others did it too. Ok.

Problem 1: the italians needed just 5th position to get the bronze with the danes out of the race and they finish 5th. Curious? I don't think so. They didn't risk more because they were getting the medal and if you watch the race they celebrate after finishing because they thought they had won a bronze.

Is it fair this? Is it sportmanship to compete against others they don't know 'who' you are or don't know you are competing against them?

Problem 2: Any boat has to be inspected and spend some time in 'quaranteine' before each race, I mean each race. The croatian boat did not spend it because it wasn't going to compete. (another rule broken). Besides, rule number 3 of the reglamentation says that all boats have to have a camera (3 kilos weight). The croatian boat did not have the camera. (another rule broken).

More: The danes were lucky enough that some boats (I think two) didn't finish the race in protest to have to compete in bad climatological conditions. This retirements made them finish in 7th position, the position they need. Do you think the retired teams would have done this if they knew they were deciding 'medals' for one or another country? Maybe yes or not but...

For me the problem is not the danes. They did what they need to try to be in the race and were lucky to 'keep' the gold medal and just for that they would deserve the gold. The problem is 'the judges'. In my opinion it is clear that the danes broke some rules so I cannot understand the veredict that 'the danes didn't get any advantatge getting the croatian boat', so not disqualificating the danes. Ok, let's admit that the danes didn't get any advantatge (they needed 'more' advantage than be allowed to be racing against the reglamentation?) but they broke rules: YES!, so: out!

Not even thinking in the italians and the confusion of not knowing that the croatians were the danes (even if it wasn't decisive for medals or postions). For God sake, you can't be in a competition not knowing who you are competing against!!! This is the ABC of any sport or game.

(It's like if Raikonen (F1) crash the ferrarri and takes a, I don't know, a toro rosso and gets some points for him (not for toro rosso) and ferrari to win the championship). This would be 'amazing' because of the difficult and admirably but let me doubt about it ethically. Maybe the comparation it's silly but I think it's exactly like this.

What it makes me laugh a lot is Jesper Larsen, the chief of the dane delegation, saying that recurring to the TAS it's against 'olympic spirit' and besides the medals are already awarded.

The same 'olympic spirit' that makes you compete againsts other that don't know you are there and broke rules in your way, stealing some medals or the color of them to other fellow athletes.

I don't care about Spain is gold or silver, or the germans silver or bronze. But what about the italians (I'm not italian btw)? They did what they need for the bronze, not more.

Not thinking about the retired teams in protest and the rules broken.

The only problem for me is, apart they broke rules (stupid rules btw but rules at the end), is the others not knowing the 'real state' of the race.

For me it wouldn't be a problem to change boat and everything but is like having a joker others didn't had (that they didn't need to use it but they didnt' know they had it either).

Sorry for that long,
Adrian

49ers: Bla bla bla...

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

More: the rules of 49r class. It's written (C1 I think) that you must show national symbols for easy identification during the race. And this is my point. Nobody in the race, I mean the sailors of the other countries, knew the croatian boat were the danes. Many sailors thought the croatians were training. The spaniards did they race and won. OK. The others did it too. Ok.
- They had det words DEN on there backs, indetifying as danes.
- Training durring a medal race?! You have to have an IQ lower than a doorknob to think that anyone would train in those conditions during a medal race.

Problem 1: the italians needed just 5th position to get the bronze with the danes out of the race and they finish 5th. Curious? I don't think so. They didn't risk more because they were getting the medal and if you watch the race they celebrate after finishing because they thought they had won a bronze.
- Italy finished 4th in the medal race, not 5th.

Is it sportmanship to compete against others they don't know 'who' you are or don't know you are competing against them?
- Oh, they knew. The danish boat - the leading boat - wasn't at the start. When the leading boat is gone, you would know. I would bet that you would notice if Usain Bolt was missing from the final in the 100 m. sprint...

Problem 2: Any boat has to be inspected and spend some time in 'quaranteine' before each race, I mean each race. The croatian boat did not spend it because it wasn't going to compete. (another rule broken).
- The Croatian boat was in quaranteine. Where did you think they got the boat from? If the croatian boat was pulled from the quarantiene-area they couldn't have used it...

Besides, rule number 3 of the reglamentation says that all boats have to have a camera (3 kilos weight). The croatian boat did not have the camera. (another rule broken).
- Do you know this for a fact? Maybe the camera just wasn't hooked up, because they didn't think they would need it for the competition... And come on 3 kg. If the spanish guys took a dumb before racing they would be 3 kg. lighter aswell... :-)

More: The danes were lucky enough that some boats (I think two) didn't finish the race in protest to have to compete in bad climatological conditions. This retirements made them finish in 7th position, the position they need. Do you think the retired teams would have done this if they knew they were deciding 'medals' for one or another country?
-They actually only needet to end up as #8 in order to win (Den 61 points, Esp 64 points) and they overtook both USA and Brazil in the race. If the Austrian boat (that DNF) had come before the danish boat the danes would still have won the race with 63 points.

I don't wanna qoute you anymore, 'cause I think I proved that your arguments is too weak. Besides, the case is closed. CAS has made there final ruling: NO RULES WAS BROKEN

Jon, Denmark

We will beat them again tomorrow

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

Tomorrow night we gonna play soccer against Spain ( Europian Champs 2008).
I hope we will beat them in soccer as well ;)
Yes you are wright, I'm a Dane.

We didn't win.

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

Well, the best team won the football match (Spain ).

49 race-the Spanish are cowards who want to win at the desk and not on the sea!
Let them have the gold medals; the Danes were the best.
Only thing, I fell sorry for the 2 Danish sailors if it happens.
The Dane

Nobody knew the Danes were in the race

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

In any sport, competitors know who they are playing against. In last Sunday race, not only the Spanish, but nor the others knew that the Danes were in the race, as they were sailing with a boat with the name and flag of Croatia. This is a very important point for the rest of competitors in order to risk and plan it in such weather conditions. To borrow the Croatian boat by the Danes, was not fair play, even more when the boat had not been tested as the others, as it was not going to be in the race.
I do not doubt your sailor are very good guys, all the competitors are good guys, Iker and Xabi got the gold medal in Athens, but this is not the question.
By the way, if Jonas and Martin were not showing off and boasting in front of the others before the race started, they had not broken the mast.
There are no medals in this evening football match.
Congratulations for the beautiful city of Copenhagen. I visited some years ago and I had a very good time there. But this is other subject.

Olympic 49er - Spanish cowards and German heroes

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

The Spanish are cowards who want to win at the desk and not on the sea!

The real heroes are the Croatians who lent the Danes their boat , and especially the Germans (currently third) who have refused to file a complaint because they think it would be bad sportsmanship. The Spanish and Italians could learn from this - but they are only after the massive prize money they get from their federations, unlike the Danes who get very little.

The Spanish are embarassing themselves before a worldwide audience - I wonder if they realize that?

49er - Do not insult Spanish people!

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

Do you remember Ben Johnson? He also won a gold medal in the Olympic Games of Seul 1988, and he lost it, at you say, "at the desk". Some tricky people are caught "at the desk".

49er at the Olympics - Done deal

Sailor (anonymous)'s picture

Now Spain has both the expert jury's decision as well as CAS's word for that they weren't cheated out of anything. Doesn't seem to make a difference if you read Marca's comments, but oh well, as long as the gold stays where the ruling on the water put it.

And as for the claim that they had an advantage by being "unnoticed" in the race, consider this: Did none of the other sailors start to wonder when they saw the Croatian boat compete with them? Did none of the other sailors see the large letters saying "DEN" on the back of the Danish sailors? I find that rather remarkable, but perhaps possible, I don't know.

However, two facts stands:

1. As far as I recall, Italy was #2 before the gold race. More than anyone, they had the chance for taking the gold when the Danes broke their mast. Do not insult my intelligence by suggesting that they didn't sail better than a potential bronze medal because of an on-water strategy not taking the Danes into consideration. They were sailing as fast as they could to try and overtake the Spanish and German teams suddenly ahead of them in points. They just couldn't sail faster that day, Danes or no Danes.

2. The Spanish team were #1 in the medal race. There was absolutely no way they could do any better. What would they have done differently if they knew the Danes were there? Nothing, that's what, save from sailing into the Croatian boat and we know they wouldn't do that. So please reconsider that claim for the ridicule of sportsmanship it is. Despite finishing #1 in the medal race, Spain couldn't win the gold when the Danes were still in the race simply because their sailing up until that particular race wasn't good enough. And it is THAT fact that pisses off the Danish sports enthusiasts to no end considering the CAS-appeal. The sheer hypocrisy of it!

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